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Jihad Watch: "Its difficult to remove the tarnish of twisted interpretations of …: Sep 26, 2007 7:10am 1 review islam, nyt
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018269.php; The Los Angeles Times tut-tuts the "ignorance" of Islam that has led Americans to think that it is different from Judaism and Christianity, and encourages violence. Now where could they have gotten crazy ideas like those? Safaa Ibrahim, executive director of the Bay Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is "not surprised. It's difficult to remove the tarnish of twisted interpretations of terrorists from what Islam means."
As this statement comes from a representative of a group that has been named an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror funding case, it's easy to see why it is so difficult.
The larger problem here is that neither CAIR nor any other Muslim group in the West has ever attempted to untwist the "twisted interpretations of terrorists." For example, CAIR signed and pushed the Fiqh Council of North America's condemnation of terrorism, which condemned the killing of innocent civilians, but neither the Council nor CAIR ever explained who exactly is an innocent civilian -- and some jihadists claim that no non-Muslim can possibly be innocent.
It also might be easier for CAIR to untwist the twisted terrorist interpretations of Islam if they would specify who are the terrorists whose interpretations need to be refuted. CAIR officials have consistently and on many occasions refused to condemn Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups.

Jihad Watch: Message to PC police: We have a responsibility to monitor U.S. Mosq…: Sep 25, 2007 4:04pm 2 reviews politics
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018258.php; Message to PC police: We have a responsibility to monitor U.S. Mosques
I've been calling for this for years. It is good to see others calling for it also. By Douglas MacKinnon, a former White House and Pentagon official and author of the novel America's Last Days:
New York Republican Congressman Peter King has become the latest target of those who value political correctness and pandering over the national security of our nation.
For recently speaking his mind and worrying about the influence radical Islam has in this nation, Congressman King is being predictably attacked by the left-leaning media, by the Democratic National Committee, and certain Muslim organizations. What exactly did Congressman King say to incite the anger and rage now being directed at him? Only things that seem to be of concern to a great many Americans.
Among his statements, Congressman King said, “There are too many people sympathetic to radical Islam…We should be looking at them more carefully and finding out how we can infiltrate them…I think there has been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Muslim community…too many Mosques in this country do not cooperate with law enforcement…85 percent of Mosques in this country are controlled by extremist leadership.”
Did the Congressman say anything that is not true? Is what he said not verified by a recent Pew Center survey, by the U.S. government, and by a number of news accounts of homegrown Muslims being taken into custody for plotting against our nation. Do facts no longer matter when it comes to protecting the United States from within?
According to that recent Pew Center survey, a quarter of younger Muslim-Americans support suicide bombings in some circumstances. That’s right. They support suicide bombings. 25% of Muslim-Americans refused to give an answer when asked if they had a favorable or unfavorable view of Al-Qaeda. 5% of Muslim-Americans said they had a favorable view of the group that attacked the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and tried to attack the White House or Capitol building.
If we accept the Pew Center’s estimate that there are 2.35 million Muslims in the United States, then 5% of that number would be 117,500 Muslim-Americans who have a favorable view of Al-Qaeda. A number that should not only send chills down our spines, but cries out for eternal vigilance.

Steve Sailers iSteve Blog: Jena: Sep 24, 2007 4:00am 2 reviews jena, black-racism
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/09/jena.html; As we saw with the Duke lacrosse case, there's a powerful hunger in modern America for tales of white violence against innocent blacks. So, on Thursday, the national media descended on the small Louisiana town of Jena as the Revs. Jesse and Al protested a racially charged case in which six young men stomped a high school student into unconsciousness.

Of course, things being the way they are these days, the protesters in Jena were on the side of the stompers, not the stompee.

A local minister, Eddie Thompson (who was one of the earliest critics of white racism in Jena), has posted on the Internet a list of everything the national media has gotten wrong about the Jena story. I've taken the liberty of rearranging it and shortening it, so go here to see the original:

- Jena does have racial problems. Jena does have bigotry and prejudice, just like every other town in America, perhaps even worse than some. If there were no racial problems, there would have been no nooses hung from a tree. There would not be one white student beaten and six black students charged with attempted second-degree murder. The local ministers would not have hurriedly called a meeting to deal with the issue. The cameras of the world would not have focused their lenses on Jena.

- The actions of the three white students who hung the nooses (on a tree at the high school) demonstrate prejudice and bigotry. However, they were not just given "two days suspension" as reported by national news agencies. After first being expelled, then upon appeal, being allowed to re-enter the school system, they were sent to an alternative school, off-campus, for an extended period of time. They underwent investigations by Federal and Sate authorities. They were given psychological evaluations. Even when they were eventually allowed back on campus they were not allowed to be a part of the general population for weeks.

- There was no "fight" on December 4, 2006 at Jena High School, as the national media continues to characterize the event in question. Six students attacked a single student who was immediately knocked unconscious. According to sworn testimony, they stomped him, as he lay "lifeless" upon the ground.

- Justin Barker, the white student attacked, was not the first white student targeted by these black students. Others had been informed they were going to be beaten, but stayed away from school and out of sight until they felt safe.

- CNN reported that there were "obviously no witnesses to the fight." In fact, over thirty eyewitnesses, students and teachers, were questioned immediately following the attack, all of who implicated one or more of the black students arrested in the case. In fact, some of the accused black students did not stop stomping Barker until they were pulled away from him by some of the teachers, according to testimony given in the trial of Mychal Bell.

- The media continues to make the point that Justin Barker "attended a party" later that evening, insinuating that his injuries were not very severe. The Barkers, by no means a wealthy family, face medical bills already over $12,000 from the emergency room visit. Imagine what an overnight visit would have cost. Justin Barker was advised to remain hospitalized but decided he would not let the event keep him from participating in the once-in-a-lifetime, traditional Ring Ceremony at First Baptist Church in Jena, where class rings are presented to the upcoming senior class.

- The fight on December 4 was unrelated to the noose incident, or any other incident that occurred earlier in Jena that week. The media keeps reporting otherwise. There are three different boys named "Justin" involved in three different events that the media have morphed into the "Justin" who was attacked on December 4:

A. A juvenile named Justin, whose name was not released to the media, was one of the boys who hung nooses from the trees in September.

B. Three months later, Justin Sloan, not a student at Jena High, fought with one of the black students, Robert Baily, at the fair barn when a couple of black students tried to enter a private party. The next evening, at "Gotta Go" store, Justin Sloan and Robert Baily confronted one another in the parking lot. There were two other black students with Baily. As they ran towards Sloan, Sloan rushed to his truck to get a shotgun, which the black boys wrestled from him and fled.

C. On December 4, six black students at Jena High School attacked Justin Barker,

The "Islamist" penetration of America that we are doing nothing to prevent: Sep 23, 2007 11:13am 2 reviews islam
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/008843.html; From the page: "The "Islamist" penetration of America that we are doing nothing to prevent

Yousseff Ibrahim, a moderate or secular Muslim who writes regularly in the New York Sun, has a deeply alarming article on the "Islamist" penetration into America via media. I've copied the entire text below. Following the article, I ask mainstream conservatives how this "Islamist" penetration of America can be stopped.

THE ISLAMIST TROJAN HORSE
Youssef Ibrahim
September 20, 2007

"We're fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here" has become a hymn for the American right and an abominable lie to the left. But drowned out by all the noise is the fact that "they" are here already, having landed a long time ago and gotten very busy indeed constructing the American wing of jihad.

Have you watched the Arabic Channel, also known as TAC, which serves the New York region? Probably not, as most New Yorkers neither understand nor speak Arabic. But if you are among the estimated 1 million viewers--legal and illegal, new and old Arabic-speaking immigrants to the tri-state area--who tune in daily to Channel 507 on Time Warner Cable, this is what you can get:

- A daily dose of Islamic jurisprudence from an Egyptian sheik, Amr Khaled, who comes direct from Cairo as TAC's prime advocate of "peaceful jihad," on how the duty of every Arab-American is to become first, second, and only a member of the Muslim Ummah.

- A nightly helping of Syria's CNN-style digest of the world, sent fresh from a Damascus studio where the Iraq war is nothing but an American butchery of Arabs, and the Zionist regime in Jerusalem is just biding its time until it gets what it deserves.

- A sprinkling of Egyptian and Syrian soap operas (though TAC completely avoids footage of "Oriental" dancing and other "infidel" joys of life).

On its Web site, TAC says it is now 14 years old and serves the "Greater New York City Metropolitan area, including Jersey City, Bergen County, N.J., and Mt. Vernon, N.Y." through cable and satellite transmission.

TAC's ownership and funding are, to put it mildly, ambiguous. What is clear is that someone is funding this Islamist Trojan Horse already anchored inside the American fortress.

Another Islamist Trojan vehicle that was once quietly thriving in America--until it was shut down by presidential order in 2001--is the now infamous Holy Land Foundation, whose recent prosecution by the American government is in its final phase.

At the Holy Land Foundation's trial in U.S. District Court in Dallas, the foundation and its many chapters stand accused of allegedly collecting some $57 million for radical Islamic causes and using the money as direct or indirect donations to the Palestinian Arab terrorist organization Hamas. Among other things, Holy Land is accused of allegedly organizing conferences and festivals with Hamas officials at which anti-Israel skits were performed as small children danced and waved flags. But the process was going on long before the Holy Land termination order and trial. It is na�¯ve to not recognize the fusion between such militant proselytizing and the message spread by TAC.

Seemingly separate but unquestionably part of the same process of spreading militancy among immigrant Arab communities was the Debbie Almontaser episode of the Khalil Gibran School saga, in which what she saw as a benign use of the word "intifada" led to her being forced to quit as the school's principal. Neither Ms. Almontaser's project nor her unstated intention to create a Muslim school in Brooklyn under the guise of multiculturalism took place in a void. The common task among all these organizations and individuals is to instill the notion there are no Arab-Americans, only Muslim Americans.

What follows next, of course, is the "community's" eventual embrace of jihad against the values and policies of the majority infidel. This is what has taken place in Britain among native British subjects of Muslim origin.

For those who do not understand Arabic, of course, there is the new Al-Jazeera in English, whose slick, transplanted British broadcasters and directors are dedicated to expanding the notion that America and Israel are always aggressive and morally wrong.

Al-Jazeera in English is accessible via the Internet and gains greater access every day to satellite dishes and bigger audiences, all of it sponsored by our ally, the government of the tiny emirate Qatar.

While American law enforcement is getting pretty good at spotting violence that emerges in the style of another paramilitary attack, a friend in the national security community in Washington told me that there "are no vehicles nor a body of laws" to stop or monitor that other kind of slow implantation.

Yaroslav Trofimov, a Wall Street Journal correspondent and the author of two impressive books, "Faith at War" and "The Siege of Mecca," travels exte

Cox &Forkum: Core Curriculum: Sep 21, 2007 10:01am 3 reviews islam, intolerence
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000849.html; Core Curriculum

From The Washington Post: This is a Saudi textbook. (After the intolerance was removed.). (hat tip Jack Friedman)
A review of a sample of official Saudi textbooks for Islamic studies used during the current academic year reveals that, despite the Saudi government's statements to the contrary, an ideology of hatred toward Christians and Jews and Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine remains in this area of the public school system. The texts teach a dualistic vision, dividing the world into true believers of Islam (the "monotheists") and unbelievers (the "polytheists" and "infidels").
This indoctrination begins in a first-grade text and is reinforced and expanded each year, culminating in a 12th-grade text instructing students that their religious obligation includes waging jihad against the infidel to "spread the faith." ...
The Saudi public school system totals 25,000 schools, educating about 5 million students. In addition, Saudi Arabia runs academies in 19 world capitals, including one outside Washington in Fairfax County, that use some of these same religious texts. ...
EIGHTH GRADE:
"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus." ...
NINTH GRADE:
"The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills."
"It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment]."
"Muslims will triumph because they are right. He who is right is always victorious, even if most people are against him." ...
TWELFTH GRADE:
"Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God."

LauraMansfield.com - Arabic translations and terrorism analysis: Sep 21, 2007 7:20am 2 reviews islam, jihad
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa-4.asp; From the page: "ihad in Small Town America: Part 4 of a Series

By Laura Mansfield

Vacation Bible School is a rite of summer throughout the American southeast. In the Bible Belt of the deep south, a couple of weeks after school lets out, the elementary school aged kids flock to their churches for a week of Bible Stories, crafts, and fun.

It�s changed a little since I was a child; some churches now schedule the sessions in the evenings to accommodate working parents. The curriculum has been jazzed up a little, and often they have themes like and even mascots. But for the most part, Vacation Bible School is still the same thing that many of us experienced as children.

For example. children at suburban Atlanta Peachtree Corners Baptist Church (where runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks was to have wed) will spend next week exploring a theme of �oeRamblin� Road Trip: Which Way Do I Go?”

You probably wouldn�t be surprised to hear that there is an Islamic equivalent.

I had the opportunity to spend an evening last week at one of these sessions, and I was amazed at what is being taught in this country to children between the ages of 5 and 10. The differences between a Vacation Bible School and the Islamic Summer Study Week were apparent from the moment I entered the door, starting with the dress code.

Kids at Vacation Bible School for the most part wear shorts, and t-shirts, although some of the girls wear cute little outfits from Gap Kids and Gymboree.

The youngsters at this Atlanta-area Islamic Center were required to wear Islamic dress, even though the air conditioning was only functioning at a minimal level and the temperature during the days rose into the high 80�s. The boys were clearly more comfortable that the girls; they wore navy pants, and white t-shirts or white polo shirts. Some of the boys wore longer, knee-length navy shorts.

The younger girls wore long navy pants, a long sleeve white cotton shirt, and a navy tunic. Even some of the youngest girls were wearing a white hijab (headscarf), although a hijab was optional for the girls until they reached the age of 10. Some of the older girls were wearing a long floor length skirt instead of long pants. According to the director, the girls who opted to wear pants were required to wear the knee-length sleeveless tunic over the pants and long sleeve white shirt so as to be dressed in a non-revealing manner.

I expressed surprise that the young girls especially were willing to wear the hijab, and the director suggested I ask some of the kids to explain their reasons.

Selwa, a cute little five year old with blonde curls escaping from under the headscarf to frame her face, told me �oeI like to wear it. My mommy wears it too.” I asked her what she liked about it. Her blue eyes were wide as she exclaimed �oeCause then bad men won�t kidnap me and hurt me.”

Hosnia, who is 6 years old, explained in a very serious manner: �oeI�m Muslim. God says girls have to wear it.”

After a few more minutes of socializing while other students arrived, the rally began. The group filed into the large room where the rally was to be held. The boys were already sitting in rows on the floor near the front of the room. The girls sat in rows behind the men.

I asked the teacher who was sitting in front of me why the girls were at the rear, when the younger ones wouldn�t be able to see over the heads of the older boys without standing. Little Hosnia, who was sitting beside me, heard my question and whispered to me �oewe have to sit back here so the boys can�t look at our butts”. She burst out into giggles, but the teacher immediately told her to hush.

The director introduced the Imam from the mosque, who started the rally with a quotation from the Qu�ran in Arabic. The surah of the day, which would be the Islamic equivalent of the Bible Verse of the Day, Al Ikhlas. The imam translated the surah as:

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

The Imam repeated it several times in Arabic, line by line, encouraging the children to repeat it with him. Shifting back into English, he told them that their task for the day was to memorize this 4-line surah.

He then began to explain the surah, and its importance. He told the children that this surah described the essence of Islam �" that there is only one Allah, and that Allah has no children. Then, quite abruptly, he told the room full of children that this surah was what Muslims were dying for in Palestine, and Iraq, and Chechnya. He told them that the Christians were all doomed to eternal hell for the sin of �oeshirk”, or assigning partners or a son to God.

He ranted for around 10 minutes about the �oekafirs” and how the ambition of these unbelievers used the name of Christ to work with the Zionists to kill all of the Muslims in the world.

Then, suddenly he shifted gear

LauraMansfield.com - Arabic translations and terrorism analysis: Sep 21, 2007 7:10am 2 reviews islam, jihad
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa.asp; It happened again this week. I came out of the office to find a flyer under my windshield wipers inviting me to a special informational presentation on God and family values, and how to bring them back to the forefront in America.
I’m a parent so the flyer caught my interest. But as a counterterrorism analyst, my eyes were riveted to the address on the flyer: the session was being held at a nearby mosque.
Curiosity got the better of me, and I decided it would be a good time for some on site investigations of the mosque. In order to not attract undue attention, I dressed conservatively, wearing a navy jumper with a long sleeve white blouse, and low heels. I debated whether or not to put on a hijab (head scarf) then decided not to; after all, I was going to “learn”, not to pretend I was a Muslim.
I checked the mosque schedule on the web, and discovered that there was going to be an Arabic language session an hour before. So I showed up an hour early. The imam met me at the door, and told me that the presentation didn’t start for an hour, and suggested I come back in an hour. Fortunately I had anticipated this. I explained that since I had quite a bit of reading to do for a class I was taking. “Can I just sit here and read?”
He hesitated a moment, then agreed. I sat in the back of the room, with my book open, and made a mental note to remember to turn the pages every so often, as I listened to the speakers in Arabic.
The first speaker was the head of the Muslim Students’ Association at the nearby university. Although I missed the beginning of the discussion, I caught up quickly. He was talking about the problems he had encountered on a recent trip, when TSA flagged him for extra screening. He joked about the fact that they had stopped him for extensive screening. He had anticipated that he would be screened and he had filled his carryon luggage with printouts of the Qu’ran from the internet, and had 15 or 16 CD’s labeled in Arabic, and he had a notebook computer with him.
As he expected he was delayed; he thought it was very amusing that while several TSA personnel were scrutinizing is personal belongings that is classmate from Jordan was able to walk through security, along with his American girlfriend, without any problems whatsoever.
One of the men said, in Arabic “Blonde Americans are good for something!” Another man advised him to be cautious, since there was an American woman in the room. The Imam spoke up and told everyone that I didn’t speak Arabic.
At that point another student took the podium. His name was Khaled, and he began to recount his recent trip to New York City. Khaled and three of his companions had gone to New York for several days in January. He told of how uncomfortable his trip up to NYC had been. He felt like he was being watched, and thought he was the victim of racial profiling.
Khaled and his friends were pretty unhappy about it, and while in New York, they came up with a plan to “teach a lesson” to the passengers and crew. You can imagine the story Khaled told. He described how he and his friends whispered to each other on the flight, made simultaneous visits to the restroom, and generally tried to “spook” the other passengers. He laughed when he described how several women were in tears, and one man sitting near him was praying.
The others in the room thought the story was quite amusing, judging from the laughter. The Imam stood up and told the group that this was a kind of peaceful civil disobedience that should be encouraged, and commended Khaled and his friends for their efforts.
He pointed out that it was through this kind of civil disobedience that ethnic profiling would fail.
One of the other men, Ahmed from Kuwait, gave a brief account of his friend Eyad, who had finally gone to Iraq. Ahmed was in email contact with Eyad, and hoped by the following week to be able to bring them more information about the state of the “mujahideen” in Iraq.
As the meeting drew to a close, the Imam gave a brief speech calling for the protection of Allah on the mujahideen fighting for Islam throughout the world, and reminded everyone that it was their duty as Muslims to continue in the path of jihad, whether it was simple efforts like those of Khaled and his friends, or the actual physical fighting of men like Eyad.
As the meeting broke up, several women in hijab came in the room, and two of them sat with me. They were very warm and friendly and welcoming, and appeared to be clearly thrilled that I was there. They asked me questions about who I was, and why I was interested in the session.
By the time the session began, there were half a dozen American women, four of them African American. Where the previous session had definite anti-American tones, this session was all American and Apple Pie. The earlier session h

Groundbreaking Study Affirms Gays Can Change -- Opinion Central -- GOPUSA: Sep 20, 2007 5:31pm 2 reviews gay
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2007/jmb_0920.shtml; Ask any one of the untold thousands of men and women who have left the homosexual lifestyle, and they'll say, "Tell us something we didn't already know." Nonetheless, psychologists Mark A. Yarhouse and Stanton L. Jones may have just hammered the final nail in the mythical "born 'gay' and stuck that way," coffin.
In a first of its kind, comprehensive study, Yarhouse and Jones determined over a four year period that men and women suffering from unwanted same-sex attractions can re-"orient" themselves through Christian counseling and/or reparative therapy to their natural and God-given heterosexual state.
Although the study concluded that leaving the homosexual lifestyle is not always easy, it conclusively determined that it can be done. At a news conference announcing the study, Jones, who is a professor of psychology at Illinois' Wheaton College, said, "These findings contradict directly the commonly expressed views of the mental health establishment that change in sexual orientation is impossible, and that if you attempt to change, it's highly likely to produce harm for those who make such an attempt."
In fact, the study, which was commissioned by Exodus International, the world's largest organization ministering to people suffering from unwanted same-sex desires, determined that change is not only possible, it is very unlikely to produce harm, a fiction homosexual activists have maintained for years.
The study followed 98 men and women from between a three- to four-year period who self-identified as homosexual. Baptist Press summarized the study's results as follows:
"15 percent reported their conversion was successful and that they had had 'substantial reduction' in homosexual attraction and 'substantial conversion' to heterosexual attraction. They were categorized as 'success: conversion.'
"23 percent said their conversion was successful and that homosexual attraction was either missing or 'present only incidentally or in a way that does not seem to bring about distress.' They were labeled 'success: chastity.'
"29 percent had experienced 'modest decreases' in homosexual attraction and were not satisfied with their change, but pledged to continue trying. This category was labeled 'continuing.'
"15 percent had not changed and were conflicted about what to do next.
"4 percent had not changed and had quit the change process, but had not embraced the gay identity;'" and,
"8 percent had not changed, had quit the process and had embraced the 'gay identity.'"
Homosexual activists continue to desperately perpetuate the myth that homosexuals are "born that way" and should therefore be treated as a bona fide minority class with special rights and benefits attached. This study represents a tremendous setback to the realization of that goal.

Hatewatch Hall of Shame: Banning and Blocking of Sites: Sep 18, 2007 3:56pm 2 reviews censorship, revjimsutter
http://hatewatchhallofshame.blogspot.com/2007/08/banning-and-blocking-of-site...; The *last* thing Sutter is about is free speech. He is a self appointed though police of the internet.

Pa. judge rules wedding by Internet-ordained minister invalid | AP | 09/12/2007: Sep 18, 2007 9:22am 3 reviews universal-life-church
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20070912_ap_pajudgerulesweddingby...; YORK, Pa. - A couple who broke up seven months after their wedding vows wondered if the ceremony performed by a friend ordained via the Internet was even valid under state law.

Now a York County judge has ruled that it was not, although a Universal Life Church official hopes to challenge that ruling.

David Cleaver, solicitor for the state Association of Registers of Wills and Clerks of Orphans' Court, said the case is the first of its kind in Pennsylvania, and his organization is advising members not to file such marriages.

State law says those qualified to officiate at marriages are judges, mayors, and the ministers, priests or rabbis of a "regularly established church or congregation."

Judge Maria Musti Cook ruled that Adam Johnston, who performed the Aug. 24, 2006, ceremony at the home of Dorie E. Heyer and Jacob T. Hollerbush, was not a member of the Universal Life Church before he received his ordination.

Johnston testified that he did not have a congregation he met with regularly and did not have a place of worship, Cook wrote in a ruling issued Friday.

Heyer, 21, of Windsor Township, and Hollerbush, 24, of York, said they hope their experience will be of value to others.

Heyer said she agreed such a ceremony did not have legal standing. "It makes a mockery out of the whole marriage system," she said.

The Pennsylvania House is considering legislation that would exclude churches or congregations that offer ordinations by mail or through electronic means.

G. Martin Freeman, Universal Life Church Monastery president, said he hopes to challenge Cook's ruling.

Freeman said the decision to accept some ministers but not others was arbitrary and would violate the constitutional separation of church and state.

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